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		<title>Cafe Mao and the Soup Nazi</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
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Kill six millions Jews in Germany, your name becomes a synonym with evil. Kill between 44 and 72 million Chinese, you get a café named after you. It&#8217;s a funny old world, eh?
- commenter Jill Murphy on Samizdata
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<p><em>Kill six millions Jews in Germany, your name becomes a synonym with evil. Kill between 44 and 72 million Chinese, you get a <a href="http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/restaurants-cafes-national/cafe-mao/">café</a> named after you. It&#8217;s a funny old world, eh?</em></p>
<p>- commenter Jill Murphy on <a href="http://www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/2008/01/samizdata_quote_295.html">Samizdata</a></p>
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		<title>Where did Alibaba, the brand name, come from?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 05:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Earlier this year, the International Herald Tribune put the spotlight on Jack Ma, co-founder of Alibaba.com:
&#8220;I&#8217;m a normal guy,&#8221; he said during a recent interview in Singapore. &#8220;I feel ashamed because I feel I&#8217;m stealing the contribution of my team. They made it; my job is more, &#8216;Let&#8217;s go do it.&#8217;&#8221;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="/images/logo_alibaba.gif" alt="alibaba.com" align="right" />Earlier this year, the International Herald Tribune put the <a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/01/05/business/wbspot06.php">spotlight</a> on Jack Ma, co-founder of <a href="http://www.alibaba.com">Alibaba.com</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I&#8217;m a normal guy,&#8221; he said during a recent interview in Singapore. &#8220;I feel ashamed because I feel I&#8217;m stealing the contribution of my team. They made it; my job is more, &#8216;Let&#8217;s go do it.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>Started in 1999, Alibaba International is now the world&#8217;s largest online business-to-business marketplace, with more than 500,000 people visiting the site every day and 2.5 million registered users from more than 200 countries. By targeting small and midsize companies, the site, for example, allows a mom-and-pop toy maker in China to sell directly to a shopkeeper in San Francisco.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Alibaba China has become the largest Chinese-language business-to-business marketplace with around 14 million registered users. The privately held company does not reveal its financial data. However, Alibaba&#8217;s deals with Yahoo in 2005 — in which Yahoo took a 40 percent stake in Alibaba, while folding its own China business into Alibaba&#8217;s — valued the Chinese company at about $3 billion at the time, said Shaun Rein, managing director of China Market Research Group in Shanghai.</p></blockquote>
<p>Today, it was announced that Alibaba.com Ltd., operator of China&#8217;s largest trading Web site for companies, and its parent may raise as much as HK$10.3 billion ($1.3 billion) in a Hong Kong initial public offering that attracted investors including Yahoo! Inc., according to this <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&amp;sid=af09g9eMAs3E&amp;refer=asia">Bloomberg</a> article.</p>
<p>So, you might be asking, &#8220;Is this where the forty thieves come in?&#8221; alluding to the tale of <a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/ali-baba">The Thousand and One Nights</a>. We&#8217;ll leave that for the financial analysts to consider. But what of the brand? Is it not counterintuitive for a trading company to choose a name that might be associated with thieves? More about that later, but first: where did Alibaba, the brand name, come from? On a <a href="http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/19446/Where_did_Alibaba_the_brand_name_come_from_.htm">company forum</a> on the Internet, we found this discussion quoting an interview with Alibaba.com&#8217;s CEO, Jack Ma:</p>
<blockquote><p>LH &#8211; Now Alibaba&#8230; Fancy name, catchy too! But it conjures up, at least to me, something to do with thieves, not legitimate business. Why Alibaba?</p>
<p>JM &#8211; One day I was in San Francisco in a coffee shop, and I was thinking Alibaba is a good name. And then a waitress came, and I said do you know about Alibaba? And she said yes. I said what do you know about Alibaba, and she said &#8216;Open Sesame.&#8217; And I said yes, this is the name! Then I went onto the street and found 30 people and asked them, &#8216;Do you know Alilbaba&#8217;? People from India, people from Germany, people from Tokyo and China&#8230; They all knew about Alibaba. Alibaba &#8212; open sesame. Alibaba &#8212; 40 thieves. Alibaba is not a thief. Alibaba is a kind, smart business person, and he helped the village. So&#8230;easy to spell, and global know. Alibaba opens sesame for small- to medium-sized companies. We also registered the name AliMama, in case someone wants to marry us!</p></blockquote>
<p>Alibaba is a provocation.</p>
<blockquote><p>All the best names are provocations: Virgin, Yahoo, Caterpillar, Fannie Mae, Gap, Banana Republic, Crossfire, Igor. To qualify as a provocation, a name must contain what most people would call &#8220;negative messages&#8221; for the goods and services the name is to represent.</p>
<p>Fortunately, consumers process these negative messages positively. As long as the name maps to one of the positioning points of the brand, consumers never take its meaning literally, and the negative aspects of the name just give it greater depth.</p>
<p>Nothing is more powerful than taking a word with a strong, specific connotation, grabbing a slice of it, mapping that slice to a portion of your positioning, and therefore redefining it. This naming strategy is without question the most powerful one of all.</p></blockquote>
<p>Read more about provocative names and Igor&#8217;s theory of negativity in successful naming and branding <a href="http://www.igorinternational.com/process/negativity-naming-strategy.php">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>When the Chinese in China take English names</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
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		<title>Gu Ge a go for Google</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
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Google may be the most recognized new 21st century brand in the West. But in China, its name was a dog. Surfers had been pronouncing the unfamiliar &#8220;Google&#8221; as &#8220;gougou&#8221; or &#8220;gugou,&#8221; among other variants &#8211; meaning &#8220;doggy&#8221; and &#8220;old hound.&#8221; An easier-to-pronounce name is just one of the reasons why rival Baidu [...]]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>Google may be the most recognized new 21st century brand in the West. But in China, its name was a dog. Surfers had been pronouncing the unfamiliar &#8220;Google&#8221; as &#8220;gougou&#8221; or &#8220;gugou,&#8221; among other variants &#8211; meaning &#8220;doggy&#8221; and &#8220;old hound.&#8221; An easier-to-pronounce name is just one of the reasons why rival Baidu has been eating Google&#8217;s lunch in China. That&#8217;s why the company tweaked its iconic name yesterday as it opened a new engineering center in Beijing. Google renamed itself &#8220;Gu Ge&#8221; (pronounced &#8220;goo-guh&#8221;), which China Daily elaborately translates as &#8220;song of the harvest of grain.&#8221; Google (Research) officials said the new name projected &#8220;the sense of a fruitful and productive search experience, in a poetic Chinese way.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>What a dim sum of thinking this is. Let them pronounce Google any way they want. Americans find it difficult to properly pronounce high-end names like Audi and Porsche, so each name has an Americanized pronunciation, no biggy.</p>
<p>And the “old dog” as a negative is a glaring red herring. Yahoo means “idiot” in English, Crossfire implies “violent death” and Gap means “missing, broken or incomplete”. The idea that consumers process names literally is false. They process them in the context of the experience and the brand.</p>
<p>And give the Chinese some credit, they know that Google is not a Chinese word with Chinese meanings!</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Laboratories">Wang Laboratories</a>, one of the iconic pioneers of computing, was founded by Dr. An Wang in Lowell, Massachusetts. Certainly they could have changed their name to accommodate Americans that might be put off by a name like Wang. But there was no need. Everyone understood that Wang was a Chinese last name and was not being used in the sense of Johnson, an American last name. Even though Wang was an American company. The same holds true here.</p>
<p>The notion of splintering a brand name like Google into different names for different countries, based on the sophomoric understanding of naming demonstrated by their explanation, is truly absurd.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.snarkhunting.com/2005/10/seth-godins-the-eew-rules-of-naming/">There are no new rules of naming</a>.</p>
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<td class="footboxtext"><strong>Says Blandor the Imponderable:</strong> &#8220;&#8216;Gu Ge&#8217;… which translates as &#8217;song of the harvest of grain…the sense of a fruitful and productive search experience, in a poetic Chinese way&#8217;, is MY SHCTICK!!!  This is no lesser a transgression than if Gallagher were to wear Robin’s rainbow suspenders or if Mr. Williams were to smash swollen cucurbitaceae on stage! I demand redress!&#8221;</td>
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<p>More posts about <a href="http://www.technorati.com/tag/Gu%20Ge">Gu Ge</a><br />
More blogs about <a rel="tag directory" href="http://technorati.com/blogs/Gu+Ge">Gu Ge</a> | More blogs about <a rel="tag directory" href="http://technorati.com/blogs/Google+China">Google China</a></p>
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